I honestly never thought about any of this before. My first thought is that Evangeline could be the second star to the right. After all, if Ray was going to fall in love with a star, there's no reason to think that it couldn't be the signpost to Neverland.
As for the Blue Fairy, I reject the notion that she is, in fact, an actual star. So she can't "be" Evangeline.
Post by maleficence on Mar 22, 2016 21:46:04 GMT -5
Timeline is the one main problem here- Princess and the Frog takes place after both Pinocchio and Peter Pan. Pinocchio takes place in 1800's Italy, and Peter Pan takes place in pre-WWI England. Princess and the Frog is late 1920's, which kinda puts a damper on it all. However, I do believe that Neverland and the Blue Fairy could be connected.
Neverland is a magical realm that exists past the second star to the right. For all intents and purpouses, the Blue Fairy could live in Neverland and comes to visit the people she hears make wishes in the same way Peter Pan hears about stories of himself. It is altogether possible. Now, Sage and I have a somewhat separate issue that somewhat pertains to this- Why are the Blue Fairy and Tinkerbell different sizes if they both come from Neverland?
My theory is that fairy is a broad classification of the genre. For example, Maleficent is also considered a fairy, and is considered to be of "normal size." Tinkerbell (and friends), I believe, are a specific categorization of fairies, also known as pixies. Pixies, historically, have been known to be very small and generally unnoticible creatures, much like Tink and co. Also, they use what is called "pixie dust" as their source of magic, and it is rather particular to just that group. The pixies also have a substance called fairy dust, which is different from pixie dust, even though it acts exactly the same.
Other Disney fairies also use some kind of dust, however it has to be used in the form of a wand- i.e. Cinderella's godmother, the three good fairies from Sleeping Beauty and the Blue Fairy. Whether or not this is the same dust is uncertain, but it's clear that fairies can't use it in the same manner that Tinkerbell and her friends can- it has to be directed through a wand of sorts. Perhaps by using the dust through a wand, it allows the dust to be more focused and direct, allowing for a greater versatility of use, where as sprinkling dust only allows the dust to be used in a way that matches the talents of the person using it.
Anyway, these are just my thoughts, but to recap- I don't think Evangeline is the same star, but I do think there is a slight possibility. I do think Peter Pan and Pinocchio's stars are connected. And finally, all pixies are fairies, but not all fairies are pixies (all squares a rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares), and quite possibly all hail from Neverland.
The time difference is a very important point, though Blue Fairy might be exceptionally long-lived; it's hard to say with these magical creatures. It also might be possible that there are other fairies who do not live in Neverland, even pixies of the Tink type.
As for the wand debate, I don't think it's possible to come to any definite, provable conclusion. It could be a personal thing, or related to the type of magic, the difficulty or ease of the spell, the skill of the magic-user, or even the geography. But it does make for interesting speculation.
Post by maleficence on Mar 22, 2016 22:11:27 GMT -5
There are examples of fairies living outside of Neverland- Maleficent lives in the Forbidden Mountains outside the kingdom in Sleeping Beauty, though where she and the other fairies came from before that remains unsure. And yes, it is rather difficult to pinpoint just how old these fairies are.
Also, it has come to my attention that each of these three films take place in three geographically different locations, and that based on their location it could be possible that while the stars would exist in the same place regardless, it may not always be possible to view them year round, so they all three could still be connected in a way. The one thing that still doesn't quite fit is that if we believe Ray was actually turned into a star, then he still couldn't have been there for Pinocchio or Peter Pan.
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